The first person in the series is Paul VanDeCarr, project director. Paul is a liberal, middle-class New Yorker who has worked on helping to end mass incarceration. He spoke with David, a gun-rights advocate from Pennsylvania. Listen to the dialogue.

David, a gun-rights advocate and self-described “basic straight guy,” spoke with Cecilia, a transgender woman originally from Argentina and now living in Queens, New York.

In the previous episode, David, a “basic straight guy” from Pennsylvania, spoke with Cecilia, a transgender woman living in Queens. Cecilia has asked to speak with a deeply religious person, and that podcast will appear here when it’s complete.